Are there really idiots defending the indefensible?

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@manpill

Drink spiking is largely an urban legend

80 to 90% of claimed cases result in negative blood tests for substances other than alcohol, and these are the people that go through the formal route of police reports and hospital attendance:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/a7849783-2422-4dfd-b361-4c94c2b7d75f

Perplexity list the sources.



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@manpill

Voice actor has fishy accusations thrown at him
https://www.tumblr.com/lintwriting/746824861534552064/via-%E9%98%BF%E9%98%AE-woonton-on-twitter-the-poster-also

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@manpill

Sabrina Carpenter leading the charge in misandry
https://youtu.be/kLbn61Z4LDI?si=pxfAcagXoagyRSiN

https://redd.it/1vq2p05
@manpill

I was accused of stalking/following a girl at university for almost 3 years — I need an outside perspective

I recently finished my degree, but there is one situation from university that I still have trouble making sense of. I'm not looking for validation or for people to automatically take my side. I genuinely want an outside perspective on whether I handled this badly and what I could have done differently.

There was a girl at my university, L. We had one class together during first year, but otherwise we were in completely different courses. Our campus is relatively small roughly 4 km for one lap. So there are many shared places like cafeterias, academic buildings, walkways, jogging areas and university programmes.

The problem was that we kept ending up in the same places. I'd sometimes leave my accommodation and encounter her, then see her around other buildings, the cafeteria, jogging areas or events that I happened to attend. My friends even noticed how often it happened. They would sometimes joke about it because whenever I went somewhere with them, she somehow seemed to be there too.

I genuinely wasn't stalking or deliberately following her. I didn't know her timetable, subjects, classrooms or daily routine. We were in different courses and I didn't even know the schedules of many people in my own course.

But I completely understand why this could have looked suspicious from her perspective. If you're a woman and you repeatedly see the same man around campus, especially someone you already feel uncomfortable around, I can understand why you might start thinking he's deliberately following you. I don't actually blame her for feeling uncomfortable or afraid.

I'm also a very insecure person about my appearance. I'm not conventionally attractive, and I've been mocked about my face before. I often walked alone to class and around campus. Because of that, I sometimes wondered whether, from her perspective, seeing the same man who looked like me repeatedly appearing around campus could have felt more intimidating than I realized. I'm not saying my appearance excuses anything or that she should be blamed for it. I'm just explaining why I can understand her perspective even though I know my own intentions weren't malicious.

Eventually, L told me that she didn't want to see my face anymore and that seeing me could ruin her entire day. She also apparently considered me a threat and believed I was following her. That was extremely difficult for me because I knew I wasn't deliberately following her.

After that, I tried very hard to avoid her. I changed my routes, changed the times I went places and would sometimes leave an area if I noticed her. There was one occasion where I went along my normal route toward my class building and she happened to be behind me. The following week, I deliberately went about an hour earlier because I wanted to avoid crossing paths with her. She happened to be there around that time too.

Things like this kept happening. I'd change my routine, but we would still occasionally cross paths. At some point I felt like there was no realistic way to guarantee that two students at the same university would never encounter each other.

There were also accusations that I had recorded her. At one university concert, I was recording the event itself, but one of her friends accused me of recording L. I showed them the actual video to demonstrate what I was recording, but they accused me of editing the video. I found that extremely frustrating because I felt like I couldn't prove my intention even after showing the footage.

Eventually the situation became serious enough that L told me she had reported me to the police. When the police check my phone, tablet, laptop. They found nothing. Also I try to talk to L to let her see inside my phone. But she hesitated

I then had to deal with university authorities and higher-ups and explain my side of everything. I explained that we were in different courses, that I didn't know her schedule, that I wasn't deliberately following her, and that I had already

been changing my routines to avoid her.

I also told them about the recording incidents and how uncomfortable I had become with the situation. Unfortunately, I felt that my concerns weren't taken particularly seriously. The main advice was essentially that I should stay away from her and not follow her. They even joked and said about suicide jokes to me. I understood that, and I continued trying to give her space.

The whole thing was extremely humiliating. I became the clown that being known around campus as "the guy who follows her." I became hyper-aware of people looking at me and started wondering whether everyone already thought I was a creep. When I eat alone at cafeteria, girls that sit at table in front of me will get up and sit at different table. As if they're afraid of me.

I also became increasingly ashamed of my appearance. I already had insecurities about my face, but being perceived as threatening or creepy made those insecurities much worse. I started wondering whether people looked at me and immediately assumed something bad about me. I know that's probably not a healthy way to think, but that's genuinely how much the situation affected me.

I don't hate L, and I don't want to portray her as some horrible person. I can understand why she would want help if she genuinely believed she was being followed. At the same time, I genuinely know that I wasn't deliberately stalking her. That's the part I still struggle to reconcile.

From her perspective, she repeatedly saw the same person around campus.

From my perspective, I repeatedly encountered someone I was actively trying to avoid.

I eventually apologized to her because I didn't want to finish university knowing that I might have made someone feel uncomfortable or threatened. I apologized for anything I may have done that made her feel that way.

I wasn't asking for forgiveness or another chance. I simply wanted to acknowledge her feelings and leave university without feeling that I had ignored something I might have done wrong.

Now that my degree is over, I want to stop everything. I don't want to contact her again, search for her, explain myself anymore, or try to change her opinion of me. If I ever encounter her again, I intend to respect her space and simply walk away.

But I still don't know how I should understand the whole situation.

If you were in my position, what would you have done? Would you have continued living normally and accepted that you might occasionally cross paths, or would you have kept changing your routines? Should I have reported the recording accusations earlier? Once she reported me to the police and university authorities, was there anything else I realistically could have done?

And honestly, based on what I've described, is there something I did that could reasonably have made me appear like I was following her, even if that was never my intention?

I just want an outside perspective on what happened, what I should have done differently, and how I should move forward from it now that university is over.

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@manpill

Nobody Wants to Make the First Move Anymore
https://www.playboy.com/read/sex-relationships/nobody-wants-to-make-the-first-move-anymore

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@manpill

Chinese woman funds her own TV series to star in, requests 60 kissing scenes with male lead
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/chinese-woman-funds-her-own-tv-series-to-star-in-requests-60-kissing-scenes-with-male-lead-3398146/

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@manpill

Drink spiking is largely an urban legend

Original thread was deleted claiming it's AI slop to provide a link to AI answer with sources.

So I will through the actual papers:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2658214/

Interesting parts: 75 patients attended with alleged drink spiking over the period of 12 months. 42 samples were analysed and tested positive for drugs of misuse in 8 (19%) cases.

(81% of the cases only had alcohol detected)

Most patients allegedly having had a spiked drink test negative for drugs of misuse. The symptoms are more likely to be a result of excess alcohol.

Most of the patients presented on the night of the alleged incident so even drugs with a short detection window (18 h for GHB) should still have been detected.

(Even though most of the test subjects were brought to a lab exam inside the ghb easy detection window (there are more sophisticated hair techniques), no result was positive for ghb)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11236145/

Unreported drugs, possibly used for drink spiking, were found in 15% of patients. Blood ethanol concentration was higher when no unreported drugs were found. GHB was not detected in any patient.

More than half of our patients had samples taken within the window of detection, as we obtained blood samples from 48 of the patients within 4 hours, and urine samples from 56 patients within 12 hours. In a similar study in London, GHB was detected in blood and urine in only one of 78 participants, who had ingested what he thought was an alcoholic drink at a club [4\]. Likewise, GHB used for drink spiking was only found in one of 101 patients in a similar Australian study [7\].

(ghb is not being found on claimed cases even when under the easy test to do detection window, this study too had zero positives for ghb

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00220426231197826

In summary, our findings suggest that the subjective threat of drink and needle spiking is high. Considering toxicological findings and police investigations, the reported prevalence and perceived likelihood of spiking seem highly overestimated

(This paper addresses how most cases are unsubstantiated by lab exams.)

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@manpill

A better World without Men: the „normel“ statment!

I want to hear your oppinions on this. I hear this statment really often, even from my own sister. I want to know, am I the only one or do you guys feel kind of assaulted by this statement in terms of „right to Exist“?

https://redd.it/1vq5nod
@manpill

Now we wait. 🩵

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@manpill

So, here's reminder No. 500,999,999 that men are denied status as HUMAN. BEINGS.

I was just thinking about a sexualized assault that I endured IN PUBLIC by police, while absolutely no one stuck up for me or even reported it afterwards. Even my own family. Just wanted to remind everyone that us men are literally denied basic humanity. We are fucking told that our pain doesn't matter. Our suffering doesn't matter. It's implied to us that we have no worth, and are undeserving of even being human. Just felt it was important to remind you all of this, since I was feeling a lot of distress (you know...that thing that is impossible for men to actually feel, apparently) about the aforementioned incident.

https://redd.it/1vq6yx3
@manpill

Which types of Men end up aligned with MRM ideals and why are they rare ?

I'm leaving this as an open ended question.

It's very obvious that only a tiny percentage of Men end up as MRAs (not Redpillers or tradcon's Anti-feminsm or any of these stuff) , I'm curious whether we have some common but rare personalities, archetypes or cognitive profiles and whether we share any common experiences that shaped our views.

For older participants in MRA spaces , What do you notice as a common pattern between that subset of Men and how are they cognitively or behaviorally distinct from other ideological or advocacy groups?

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@manpill

Misandry is not justified by any means, no gender is morally better.

Look, i dont know if this is the subreddit or the correct tag to talk about this? I dont even know if im wording right what im gonna rant about. Ill most likely delete it later if i see what i was spewing was shit and missed the point I tried to give, and try to rephrase it i suppose.

If there is something that BUGS me so much its hearing that misandry is understandable, justified and used by women of X reason. That it only hurts feelings. Its that big of a deal. And the hate on men itself leading to having a whole gender labeled as the 'bad ones' since birth.

Look, to an point, i do kinda see where it comes from, and if we are honest, misandry is a smaller problem than misogyny. And i myself know that the treatment women got in the past was horrid as hell shame on THOSE men and THE ONES DOING IT nowdays. However, even if you can "understand" why it exists, it still does NOT justify it, all it gives is an (questionable) explanation from where it came.

Violence breeds violence, but more violence will breed MORE violence, you cannot expect to hate a gender, and then ramble and ask about why the other gender dislikes your gender even more now, trying to ignore majority half the planet to just focus on the bad part just so you can spread your own hatred on a whole group just beacuse of a smaller part its stupid, just beacuse a part is LOUDER than the others, doesnt mean its the biggest one. If thats your response to misogyny then dont come back whining about why your violence breed from violence breeds even more violence.

Then there is the 'mysogyny kills' and 'misandry hurts', my dear friend, like i said, YES, Misogyny is a BIGGER problem, but that is NOT in any mean an excuse to ignore the problem of misandry or think its "non-existent", and misandry isnt even only coming from women at this point, just look at the double standards of authorities and politics, our goverment couldnt give less of a care for us either, even worse when we barely get proper recovery AND we are "guilty until proven innocent for the sake of being a man". Even if we pretend Misandry truly only hurted feelings, its still shit, its basically psychologically and and mentally affecting a person, no matter the gender. Its like saying 'your bad is not bad beacuse my bad is badder'. We get it, one is a bigger problem, but guess what! That doesnt mean the other one isnt still a problem! If we kept normalizing misandry, its gonna eventually become even bigger so there is that.

And then, we get all called 'rapists' 'abusers' 'criminals' and if we didnt do any of that then we will do it one day like its some kind of rule, its like its now a common belief that 'men are all rapists and criminals from birth', i literally just came from a discord comment saying we are all born rapists and also seeing the post of a pregnant feminist saying she is broken beacuse her baby is a boy. .....No, you are not raising a future rapist or misogynyst just beacuse he was born a certain gender holy god. Just beacuse the men from 2000 years ago did some horrid stuff, doesnt mean im gonna be like them, just beacuse in history there were horrid men, doesnt mean we all will suddenly be just like them, no gender is morally better, its simply that one had so much power over the one that they abused it, if the roles were inversed it would the same history, the problem was power. Are you cautious from men? Cool, thats understandable! Then just dont make it into prejudice with EVERY SINGLE ONE YOU MEET.

Dont expect discrimination to dissapear by pouring more discrimination. Hating a gender is quite literally doing WHAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT, DISCRIMINATION. i am NOT apogolizing for having a penis and both genders are flawed. Period.

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@manpill

A recent Australian rape conviction for failing to pay a prostitute is absurd.

The recent rape conviction in New South Wales of a man who did not pay a prostitute for her services is a frightening development.

The basis for the legislation making this non-consensual sex is that the prostitute only agrees to sex if you pay her. Logical in a round-about way, but not what I would have thought that the rape laws were designed for.

This is an extraordinary step - criminalising a commercial action (non-payment under a contract for service) with a prison sentence of decades.

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@manpill

I Experienced Misandry Tonight

I did not seek this out, just happened. There was an article about how male life expectancy varies between the US states. But the article also did point out how women in the USA outlive men by 5 years. Being an MRA of course, I focused on that.

Here is my comment.

Yup, men die younger than women and we still spend more on female health, AND feminists still complain we don't spend enough on women's health. And we always did spend more on women's health.

My comment did not get one single upvote. It did get 2 downvotes.

One response was "Waaaaaah!" linked to a GIF of an adult man having a childish temper tantrum. The response got one upvote. No downvotes until I gave it one downvote. This commenter had a male name.

Another response, which, though actually true, still showed no concern for men said "This article is about men dying younger in some states compared to men in other states." This comment got one downvote. Commenter's name was not gender specific.

Guess we're not supposed to care about men dying young.



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@manpill