Notes and changes from the outline for "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues"
Like with every episode there are plenty of changes that happen in the creation of an episode. The outline for "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" contain some interesting ideas as well.
The whole episode is centered around the abduction of Charlie and Claire and the hunt to track them down, which is paralleled with Jack's flashback in which a pregnant woman died - due to Jack's father being drunk.
In the final episode the husband of the pregnant woman is threatening to sue to hospital, but Christian Shephard comforts him, where Jack sees the manipulation from afar. In the outline this is handled differently, because there he directly interacts with the husband and straight up lies to him himself.
>The husband tells Jack that he is being approached by lawyers who want him to sue the hospital, and he feels that the hospital is stonewalling him. But frankly, the husband says, he doesn't care about any of that, he just wants to know if what happened to his wife could have been avoided.
>"So I'm asking you," the husband tells Jack, "Off the record, on your honor - man to man - what happened in there?" Jack stares at the grief-stricken man. This is a chance to redeem himself for losing this man's wife - and for taking part in a deception to avoid the consequences. What is Jack going to do?
>He lies. With a straight face and an intense expression of heartfelt empathy, Jack tells the man that the hospital's account of the surgery is on the up-and-up. His wife had an unreported heart defect that led to her death. It was no one's fault - a terrible tragedy that no one could have foreseen. Touched by Jack's honesty, the husband shakes Jack's hand, even as he breaks into tears, then turns and goes.
Jack was initially going to ahead with the lie in the final version of the episode as well, but I think this was a good change, because it takes some responsibility off Jack. Covering for his father was already a bad look, but lying to the husband himself makes it worse.
The on island storyline is pretty similar to the final version as well, but again there are some very notable differences. One would be the addition of a new character. Locke eventually teams up with Boone to look for Charlie and Claire, but in the outline he initially had two other characters with him: Sullivan and his friend Arthur.
>Locke recruits two young men, SULLIVAN (introduced in 108) and ARTHUR. They are old friends with some outdoor experience. Arthur - a tall, muscular jock, has been learning to hunt with Locke.
Sullivan and Arthur follow Locke, but Sullivan has doubts about Locke, which eventually leads to them abandoning the mission.
>Locke suggests that they fan out to comb a larger part of the jungle for signs of Charlie and Claire. Boone - eager for Locke’s approval - agrees, suggesting that Arthur and Sullivan pair off... but Sullivan wonders aloud if Locke’s plan is a good idea. Arthur grabs Sullivan, and asks why he is "Questioning Mr. Locke’s judgment." Sullivan replies that he has no idea who this Locke guy is, "How do we know he is anything he says he is." Arthur shuts his friend down - Locke is the most capable man in this camp, "Trust me."
...
>Sullivan is done with Locke’s pronouncements and starts questioning his motives. Just how good a tracker is he? Where did Locke learn what he knows? Has he ever tracked people through a jungle before? Boone steps up in Locke’s defense - “Hey, remember that boar meat you had for dinner - this is the guy who caught it!” But Sullivan will have none of it. He is ready to go. All eyes turn to Arthur, who, after a moment, has to side with his friend. Arthur makes an apologetic good-bye - but he got Sullivan into this mess, he can’t leave him to return to camp alone.
The biggest surprise is however something entirely different. Initially they wanted Christian Shephard to appear on the island again, like in "White Rabbit" - but this time with a large speaking part!
>Jack snaps out of his flashback, then
Like with every episode there are plenty of changes that happen in the creation of an episode. The outline for "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" contain some interesting ideas as well.
The whole episode is centered around the abduction of Charlie and Claire and the hunt to track them down, which is paralleled with Jack's flashback in which a pregnant woman died - due to Jack's father being drunk.
In the final episode the husband of the pregnant woman is threatening to sue to hospital, but Christian Shephard comforts him, where Jack sees the manipulation from afar. In the outline this is handled differently, because there he directly interacts with the husband and straight up lies to him himself.
>The husband tells Jack that he is being approached by lawyers who want him to sue the hospital, and he feels that the hospital is stonewalling him. But frankly, the husband says, he doesn't care about any of that, he just wants to know if what happened to his wife could have been avoided.
>"So I'm asking you," the husband tells Jack, "Off the record, on your honor - man to man - what happened in there?" Jack stares at the grief-stricken man. This is a chance to redeem himself for losing this man's wife - and for taking part in a deception to avoid the consequences. What is Jack going to do?
>He lies. With a straight face and an intense expression of heartfelt empathy, Jack tells the man that the hospital's account of the surgery is on the up-and-up. His wife had an unreported heart defect that led to her death. It was no one's fault - a terrible tragedy that no one could have foreseen. Touched by Jack's honesty, the husband shakes Jack's hand, even as he breaks into tears, then turns and goes.
Jack was initially going to ahead with the lie in the final version of the episode as well, but I think this was a good change, because it takes some responsibility off Jack. Covering for his father was already a bad look, but lying to the husband himself makes it worse.
The on island storyline is pretty similar to the final version as well, but again there are some very notable differences. One would be the addition of a new character. Locke eventually teams up with Boone to look for Charlie and Claire, but in the outline he initially had two other characters with him: Sullivan and his friend Arthur.
>Locke recruits two young men, SULLIVAN (introduced in 108) and ARTHUR. They are old friends with some outdoor experience. Arthur - a tall, muscular jock, has been learning to hunt with Locke.
Sullivan and Arthur follow Locke, but Sullivan has doubts about Locke, which eventually leads to them abandoning the mission.
>Locke suggests that they fan out to comb a larger part of the jungle for signs of Charlie and Claire. Boone - eager for Locke’s approval - agrees, suggesting that Arthur and Sullivan pair off... but Sullivan wonders aloud if Locke’s plan is a good idea. Arthur grabs Sullivan, and asks why he is "Questioning Mr. Locke’s judgment." Sullivan replies that he has no idea who this Locke guy is, "How do we know he is anything he says he is." Arthur shuts his friend down - Locke is the most capable man in this camp, "Trust me."
...
>Sullivan is done with Locke’s pronouncements and starts questioning his motives. Just how good a tracker is he? Where did Locke learn what he knows? Has he ever tracked people through a jungle before? Boone steps up in Locke’s defense - “Hey, remember that boar meat you had for dinner - this is the guy who caught it!” But Sullivan will have none of it. He is ready to go. All eyes turn to Arthur, who, after a moment, has to side with his friend. Arthur makes an apologetic good-bye - but he got Sullivan into this mess, he can’t leave him to return to camp alone.
The biggest surprise is however something entirely different. Initially they wanted Christian Shephard to appear on the island again, like in "White Rabbit" - but this time with a large speaking part!
>Jack snaps out of his flashback, then
looks up to see the last thing he imagined, or would want to see. HIS FATHER!
>Standing at the foot of the tree (in the same suit and white shoes he wore in 103,) looking down at him contemptuously. Jack refuses to believe what he sees... "You aren't here," he says aloud - and is shocked when dad answers him! Jack wants to believe that this is all a hallucination brought on by stress, exertion, and maybe a head injury incurred during his descent down the hill - but dad doesn't see it that way. Jack asks Shephard what he wants...
"I want to know,” Shephard answers, “Why the only trained doctor on this island is sitting in a mud hole at the bottom of a hill when 46 other people need his care and attention." Jack cries out that he is responsible for Claire. Dad wonders if Jack ever learned his lesson: the good of the many is not worth sacrificing for a single life. If Jack had any sense - if he had ever learned to see that big picture - he would turn back now.
>Jack shouts back in anger - calling Shephard a drunk who never cared about anyone but himself. Dad shoots back that Jack is no better: he went off half-cocked and compromised his own life for that of a patient he cannot save. “Face it Jacko,” Shephard says commonsensically, “That pregnant girl is already dead, and there is nothing you can do about it.”
>But Jack refuses to accept his father’s words. "And that’s why you let everyone down on this island today," Shephard says, adding that "Just like you always let me down - you just never learned." Off Jack, suffering from the fall and the withering judgment rendered upon him by his own father...
The ending of the episode is also a bit different, because the circumstances of how Locke and Boone find the hatch. In the final episode it's just a coincidence (?), since Boone accidentally drops the flashlight on the ground, which then hits the hatch. In the outline Locke saw a reflection in the distance.
>And then Locke sees something in the distance. A flash of something strange. A reflection of the moonlight on something far from where they stand. Locke asks Boone if he saw that. “Saw what?” Boone asks. “Destiny” replies Locke and breaks into a run. As Boone follows...
>Locke is frantically looking for the object he saw flashing in the moonlight... and, as Boone struggles to keep up with him, finally does. It is a large piece of metal - machine formed and smoothly rounded - protruding from the muddy earth. Boone wonders what it is. Locke grabs a stick, probing the soft earth around it... ... and realizing that there is metal under the ground for at least a ten foot radius around the thing.
...
>As he moves around the strange object, poking and prodding for any signs of what it may be, Locke asserts that this is clearly not a piece of the fuselage - this is something that was intentionally buried here. Something man-made. Something they were meant to find.
>“Okay,” Boone replies “but what is it?” Locke looks down at the find - clearly he believes that some higher power is at work, that something has brought them here. Locke then reiterates what he said before: this island doesn’t give up its secrets to the weak... Boone had better be ready to commit and to struggle if he wants to find out what they are facing here.
>And then, Locke answers Boone’s quizzical look with the cryptic, ominous assertion about finding a huge, man-made structure deliberately buried here - “It could change everything we know about the island.”
You can read the outline here. Any thoughts? What do you think about Christian Shephard appearing on the island again?
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>Standing at the foot of the tree (in the same suit and white shoes he wore in 103,) looking down at him contemptuously. Jack refuses to believe what he sees... "You aren't here," he says aloud - and is shocked when dad answers him! Jack wants to believe that this is all a hallucination brought on by stress, exertion, and maybe a head injury incurred during his descent down the hill - but dad doesn't see it that way. Jack asks Shephard what he wants...
"I want to know,” Shephard answers, “Why the only trained doctor on this island is sitting in a mud hole at the bottom of a hill when 46 other people need his care and attention." Jack cries out that he is responsible for Claire. Dad wonders if Jack ever learned his lesson: the good of the many is not worth sacrificing for a single life. If Jack had any sense - if he had ever learned to see that big picture - he would turn back now.
>Jack shouts back in anger - calling Shephard a drunk who never cared about anyone but himself. Dad shoots back that Jack is no better: he went off half-cocked and compromised his own life for that of a patient he cannot save. “Face it Jacko,” Shephard says commonsensically, “That pregnant girl is already dead, and there is nothing you can do about it.”
>But Jack refuses to accept his father’s words. "And that’s why you let everyone down on this island today," Shephard says, adding that "Just like you always let me down - you just never learned." Off Jack, suffering from the fall and the withering judgment rendered upon him by his own father...
The ending of the episode is also a bit different, because the circumstances of how Locke and Boone find the hatch. In the final episode it's just a coincidence (?), since Boone accidentally drops the flashlight on the ground, which then hits the hatch. In the outline Locke saw a reflection in the distance.
>And then Locke sees something in the distance. A flash of something strange. A reflection of the moonlight on something far from where they stand. Locke asks Boone if he saw that. “Saw what?” Boone asks. “Destiny” replies Locke and breaks into a run. As Boone follows...
>Locke is frantically looking for the object he saw flashing in the moonlight... and, as Boone struggles to keep up with him, finally does. It is a large piece of metal - machine formed and smoothly rounded - protruding from the muddy earth. Boone wonders what it is. Locke grabs a stick, probing the soft earth around it... ... and realizing that there is metal under the ground for at least a ten foot radius around the thing.
...
>As he moves around the strange object, poking and prodding for any signs of what it may be, Locke asserts that this is clearly not a piece of the fuselage - this is something that was intentionally buried here. Something man-made. Something they were meant to find.
>“Okay,” Boone replies “but what is it?” Locke looks down at the find - clearly he believes that some higher power is at work, that something has brought them here. Locke then reiterates what he said before: this island doesn’t give up its secrets to the weak... Boone had better be ready to commit and to struggle if he wants to find out what they are facing here.
>And then, Locke answers Boone’s quizzical look with the cryptic, ominous assertion about finding a huge, man-made structure deliberately buried here - “It could change everything we know about the island.”
You can read the outline here. Any thoughts? What do you think about Christian Shephard appearing on the island again?
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S05: Namaste, question regarding R*******y
At the Flame, when Jin and Radsinzky catch Sayid, we can see Radsinzky working on the model for The Swan’s hatch.
I suppose we can assume he was thinking of a failsafe model prior to anything, right? As a well-done project (drilling of The Swan), accounting for anything that can go wrong (which indeed went wrong (drilling the pocket + H bomb) is something that is standard protocol for any project.
Or… Is there anything else, another derivative that can be assumed from him building the Chernobyl-hatch model?
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At the Flame, when Jin and Radsinzky catch Sayid, we can see Radsinzky working on the model for The Swan’s hatch.
I suppose we can assume he was thinking of a failsafe model prior to anything, right? As a well-done project (drilling of The Swan), accounting for anything that can go wrong (which indeed went wrong (drilling the pocket + H bomb) is something that is standard protocol for any project.
Or… Is there anything else, another derivative that can be assumed from him building the Chernobyl-hatch model?
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I rebuilt the Swan station in Unreal Engine 5 and am pretty pumped with how it's turned out
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I Rebuilt the Hatch from LOST in Unreal Engine 5
I rebuilt the Swan station from LOST in Unreal Engine 5. The hatch, the computer, the 108 minute countdown, and the smoke monster out in the jungle.
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First time watching and I’m struck by how foundational LOST’s DNA is to the co-op survival climbing game Peak
that‘s it that’s the post hit send.
I’m sure someone else has already done a thorough side-by-side of all the LOST references and easter eggs.
anyway, here’s some game screengrabs of my lil gnome getting ritually sacrificed to the island to fully heal/resurrect all my teammates
My teammate has nothing to confess, she just did what was needed to survive
For the good of all \( •̀ \^ •́ \)ゞ
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that‘s it that’s the post hit send.
I’m sure someone else has already done a thorough side-by-side of all the LOST references and easter eggs.
anyway, here’s some game screengrabs of my lil gnome getting ritually sacrificed to the island to fully heal/resurrect all my teammates
My teammate has nothing to confess, she just did what was needed to survive
For the good of all \( •̀ \^ •́ \)ゞ
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Questions regarding Ben
>!Why did Ben really want to go back to the island?!< To continue being its “protector” (in his own) mind, or to be judged (>!for the killing of Alex!<)?
>!And why did he kill Locke instead of letting Locke kill himself? If Locke had successfully hung himself and died, then the oceanic six would’ve never come back, that’s why?!<
>!Unless Ben killed him and used Locke’s death as a pawn to get the others back to the island?!<
(In addition, do we know Ben’s motives for kidnapping Alex? Was it because he wanted a daughter himself, or he wanted newborns on the island?)
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>!Why did Ben really want to go back to the island?!< To continue being its “protector” (in his own) mind, or to be judged (>!for the killing of Alex!<)?
>!And why did he kill Locke instead of letting Locke kill himself? If Locke had successfully hung himself and died, then the oceanic six would’ve never come back, that’s why?!<
>!Unless Ben killed him and used Locke’s death as a pawn to get the others back to the island?!<
(In addition, do we know Ben’s motives for kidnapping Alex? Was it because he wanted a daughter himself, or he wanted newborns on the island?)
Thank you!
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Rewatching Lost
So I’m rewatching Lost for the third time and I’m so glad I can’t remember anything because it’s so entertaining. I love the action and mystery but I gotta say the sslllloooowww burn between Jack and Kate is what makes it for me. It’s the one liners. The stolen glances. The glances that last too long in silence. I’m like YES! Will they? Won’t they? I’m not sure because I can’t remember BUT I know it’ll probably shatter my heart. What did it for you??
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So I’m rewatching Lost for the third time and I’m so glad I can’t remember anything because it’s so entertaining. I love the action and mystery but I gotta say the sslllloooowww burn between Jack and Kate is what makes it for me. It’s the one liners. The stolen glances. The glances that last too long in silence. I’m like YES! Will they? Won’t they? I’m not sure because I can’t remember BUT I know it’ll probably shatter my heart. What did it for you??
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